Gavros 6:38 Sun Apr 16
LoOKs like the Turks have voted themselves into an Islamic dictatorship
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Look forward to their inevilable irrelevance.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39612562
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Darby_
2:49 Tue Apr 18
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I haven't quoted Socrates on here but I think I've quoted Quentin Crisp.
Me > threesixty
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mashed in maryland
2:25 Tue Apr 18
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Hiya 360, why don't you email Tessy May and suggest putting a pre-vote competency exam in place before the next GE?
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threesixty
12:07 Tue Apr 18
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rio
"Great idea that. Perhaps our PM could go to Brussels and renegotiate the free movement of people principle that seems to be a line in the sand for the drunken Luxembourger.
I wonder why nobody has never tried that before.
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Do you ever read your own posts?
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mashed in maryland
12:06 Tue Apr 18
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Wonder what Aristotle would have to say about all this.
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riosleftsock
12:05 Tue Apr 18
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"Freedom of movement is not the core problem in our country."
So, why did you bring it up?
You are AfM, I claim my prize.
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Johnson
12:04 Tue Apr 18
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threesixty - You seem to think that the UK can afford and manage to micro manage every last eligible voter to a position of competence or otherwise completely oblivious to how much that would cost and how long it would take.
That shows a chronic lack of understanding on your part so are you really qualified to push forward those views?
You don't seem to understand how it could be done or how long it would take so I think you should stop pushing this view until you prove you do understand it.
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threesixty
12:03 Tue Apr 18
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Sewer
fair enough. As I said both sides were guilty of it. Just that the right with the aid of the printed press who were predominately brexit had far more firepower eventually.
But again, it would have been better if people who voted were verifiably informed about what they were going to vote about.
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mashed in maryland
12:03 Tue Apr 18
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"Spain has 25% yiouth unempolyment and even they dont moan like you lot"
Superb stuff.
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threesixty
12:00 Tue Apr 18
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riosleftsock
Freedom of movement is not the core problem in our country. It is framed by the right that it is the sole thing is destroying us. But that isnt the case.
The real issue is our government not giving money to things that help normal people. Spending money on garden bridges accross the thames but nothing in Middlesborough.
Selling off our housing but not building any more. Forcing everyone to rent of private lanlords instead of increasing state controlled ownership of housing. Shutting our hospitals but spending billions on PPI initatives that only favour rich foreign investors.
All of these things create the environment that makes it look like there isnt enough for everyone and therefore the foreigner is to blame for the lack of resources some experience.
So rightly the EU are looking at the UK and thinking, "what the fuck is the issue here? You have the lowest unemployment you've ever had, you are richer than ever and growing faster than everyone else and you are still moaning? Spain has 25% yiouth unempolyment and even they dont moan like you lot".
Maybe, just maybe we should allocate our resources better before we lay all the blame at migrants who actually add far more than they take from us.
just a thought..
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Sewer Bank
11:52 Tue Apr 18
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360, the remainers were pretty partial to appealing to the "ill informed" voter too, I remember Cameron stood in the Easy Jet hanger at Luton airport during the campaign, telling the country, supported by the EJ CEO, that holiday flights to Spain would see a marked increase in price, how patronising was that within a complex decision that a package holiday might cost £ 20 more if we left?
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threesixty
11:51 Tue Apr 18
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Johnson
"You can't have confidence in the future because you don't think the people who voted were informed?
That's a very strange outlook, why are the two inclusive?"
I dont understand your point here.
To stretch the anology, would I want someone who doesnt understand football to vote on changes to the off side rule?
I understand that every person effected by something should have some say in it, hence the notion of a "democracy". But we dont give votes to kids for example because we feel they dont understand the issues.
It's all about understanding. If someone shows they understand things you give their decisions more credibility over those that dont.
It just so happens that dicatatorships and populist movements actually love uninformed voters. It's a very powerful tool because they are easy to manipulate and carry the same weight as an informed voter.
Which is why you end up with things like Venezuela, brexit or possibly Turkey now..
You appeal to the disenfranchised in society who invariably have the lowest knowledge and say your going to make things great for them. Normally voter turn out among lower educated and poorer people is too small to win against a core of educated and richer people. But if you can mobilize the poor and get them to think your way you can control countries. Trump has just done the same thing.
These politicians flatter the poorer and uninformed people by constantly telling them how bright they really are, and that they do know what they are talking about and are being held back by a ruling elite..
Then you spend 2 minutes with someone like that and you realize, no they dont actually know much at all.
Same shit different country, but always the same techniques to manipulate people and gain power.
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riosleftsock
11:42 Tue Apr 18
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"I'm not someone who thinks immigration hasnt been a concern. I dont think the plight of low skill workers in the north is irrelevant. We need to solve these issues.
It's just that you dont have to go nuclear to solve an issue."
Great idea that. Perhaps our PM could go to Brussels and renegotiate the free movement of people principle that seems to be a line in the sand for the drunken Luxembourger.
I wonder why nobody has never tried that before.
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mashed in maryland
11:33 Tue Apr 18
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So in addition to the manpower and logistics involved in registering, administering, counting, and overseeing the literal tens of millions of votes, we should now include a multiple choice exam, which would need to be properly invigilated and monitored (So no cheating occurs) and all test papers marked and graded before a panel decides whether or not to count the vote.
I don't think the Ancient Greeks could have managed that. I think it would be a tall order to manage it for the 32+ million people who voted in the last referendum and I certainly doubt the ability of Turkey to manage it (no offence Hairy).
Why not just save time and ban the poor and the disabled from voting? Fuck it chuck in women too.
All this is of course irrelevant, because the voting public were bombarded with information from both sides in the run-up to the referendum and they made their choice based on that information.
If you truly believe your side lost because the public were ignorant of some details of the complex processes of EU governance, then maybe your side should have done more to educate us about them.
Or you could just moan and say it's not fair and everyone's stupid and talk about ancient Greece while the world moves on, up to you really.
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Johnson
11:30 Tue Apr 18
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You can't have confidence in the future because you don't think the people who voted were informed?
That's a very strange outlook, why are the two inclusive?
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threesixty
11:29 Tue Apr 18
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Johnson
If it were the case that we voted leave and the people voting showed they had an understanding of the basics I would be happy to leave.
In fact I would be more content because I knew that informed people made the decison. Which would give me confidence in the future. We dont have that now.
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threesixty
11:26 Tue Apr 18
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Sewer
I don't disagree with your view here. Many people on both sides are very hypocritical. I think its correct to point it all out, whether you are left or right.
I'm not someone who thinks immigration hasnt been a concern. I dont think the plight of low skill workers in the north is irrelevant. We need to solve these issues.
It's just that you dont have to go nuclear to solve an issue. And I think we took a nuclear option here and it will have knock on effects for years to come.
I'm not on some looney left shit, I see the issues very clearly. I just think our best interests and a more balanced solution was forced upon us by right wing nut jobs, who historically have never given a fuck about any of us (if you consider yourself from a working class background).
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Johnson
11:23 Tue Apr 18
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In the case of the EU referendum then the facts probably would have seen more votes for leave.
That's what you were trying to avoid though wasn't it?
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threesixty
11:20 Tue Apr 18
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Johnson
They are factual questions. There are no alternative answers or views to these basic questions. They wouldn't be there to sway opinon, only to assess that the person answering them has some understanding of the topic.
It's asking somewhere to judge who the best player is in a football match but they dont know what a corner is.. I mean, really?
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Hammer and Pickle
11:18 Tue Apr 18
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Countries like Poland can even duck up their constitution and court system at the behest of the numpty neocons who have won a majority in the national parliament and still stay in the union.
Of course the logic is the numpties will get voted out when people work out they've been screwed.
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Johnson
11:09 Tue Apr 18
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Just because a country has the perceived ability to do it, when you look at the situation countries like Poland are now finding themselves in where they are threatened with expulsion for not taking their share of migrants, even though Thickle advocates countries can choose which EU laws to adopt it's clear that even that is subjective.
In short your tests are flawed.
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Sewer Bank
11:09 Tue Apr 18
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360 - " My point is just the irony and hypocrisy of people on this thread. It's just funny that's all. "
As a working class Tory/Brexiteer, I find it hypocritical and ironic that for decades the liberal elite have been very content to enjoy the popular, unswerving Labour support of rank and file working class voters from Burnley, Sunderland, Doncaster etc. However when those masses turned against the "intelligent" vote in the referendum, then suddenly their intellectual suitability to have a vote is questioned and you claim hypocrisy!!
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